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PostZamieszczono: 21 mar 2009, 19:45 
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Kupiłam dziś taki spiwór
http://www.sklep.cristobal.pl/szczegoly ... _pack_1000
kosztował 132 zł. Czy są jakies przesłanki (typu "śpiwory tej firmy niszczą się po dwóch wyjazdach") przemawiające za jego zwrotem?


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Mam taki sam i jak na razie żyje (tzn. i on, i ja) :D Po pewnym czasie worek kompresujący puszcza szwy, ale nie jest to jakiś wielki mankament, którym warto się przejmować. Kupiłam go głównie do korzystania w schroniskach, ewentualnie pod namiot do cieplejszych krajów i jestem zadowolona. Służy mi ok. 1,5 roku, a zakładam, że starczy mi na dłużej :)


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ja dodam, że waga 1kg jest dużym atutem :)

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Ja posiadam model ciut cięższy, SP 1200. Moim zdaniem jest bardzo dobrze uszyty, a termika wystarcza przy paru założeniach na wiosnę i jesień. Worek na śpiwór ma taki minus, że łatwo go wiatr zwiewa z balkonu, ale za to bardzo dobrze pozwala skompresować śpiwór.
Za cenę za jaką kupiłaś, myślę, że warto go sobie zostawić.


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Sosław pisze:
Najlepszy dokument na temat śpiworów jaki dotychczas widziałem:
http://www.mammut.ch/mammut/uploadedFiles/Sleep%20Well_Pt1_E.pdf
Dla początkujących użytkowników śpiworów polecam zapoznanie się ze stronami 35 i 36 (10.3 PRACTICAL ADVICE FOR CONSUMERS).

Link już nie działa więc przklejam wspomniane z niego fragmenty.

10.1 Advice for Retail Buyers and Journalists
Expected Values
As EN 13537 is a standard and repeatable test, it is quite easy to see when the
values quoted by manufacturers are reasonable. The following tables show typical
weights of sleeping bags (including stuff sack) for different temperature ratings to
EN 13537. If the values quoted are significantly different then it is good advice to
ask to see the test certificate.

Obrazek

10.2 Reference Chart for Retail Buyers and Journalists
A quick check is to weigh the sleeping bag with the stuff-sack and check it against
the graph. If the values are outside the expected range - ask for the certificate.

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10.3 PRACTICAL ADVICE FOR CONSUMERS
Understand the Temperature Ratings.
The EN 13537 Comfort rating is based on a standard woman having a comfortable
nights sleep.
The EN 13537 Lower Limit is based on a standard man as the lowest temperature
to have a comfortable nights sleep.
The EN 13537 Extreme rating is a survival rating for a standard man. This must not
be used by normal consumers as an influence on the planning of a purchase or
selection for a trip.
Non EN 13537 ratings - Most of the sleeping bag ratings before EN 13537 were
based on fit well conditioned young men and created from studies on soldiers,
outdoor instructors and mountaineers. Therefore, a much greater margin of safety
needs to be applied.
Be realistic about your body and your physical condition.
Conditioning EN 13537 sets a much more conservative comfort level than previous
systems and is based on the normal European consumer. However, most
westernised people live in centrally heated houses, work in air conditioned offices
and drive everywhere. This lifestyle reduces the bodies conditioning against cold.
If a sedentary person goes on a strenuous trip into the wilderness or high mountains,
they will become fatigued. Unfit people feel the cold more than fit people.
Thin people feel the cold more than fat people.
Age Young well nourished men produce more body heat than older people.
Children, especially small children do not have the same natural heat controls as
adults and need to be carefully monitored.
Sex Women are generally colder than men. In EN 13537 the comfort temperature
for a standard woman is approx 5 °C warmer than the standard man.

Prepare properly for your tour.
Select your sleeping bag with enough safety margins for the trip you are planning.
Invest in a Good Sleeping Mat A good sleeping mat will insulate you from the
ground and provide comfortable padding. If you do not use a mat, you will lose a
lot of heat through conduction.
Invest in a Good Tent or Bivi Bag A tent or bivi bag has two functions. One it protects
from the rain and two it protects from the wind. It is important that the tent
is sealed from the weather. If the sleepier is directly exposed to the wind this will
considerably increase convection losses.
Practical Advice
Review
© Mammut Sports Group AG
Switzerland
November 2003
33 36
The Weather Over any period of five days, the weather will typically change by
plus or minus 5 °C and in storm conditions; the changes can be much larger. Also,
if it rains or snows, you will become wet, tired and cold. Getting into a sleeping
bag after backpacking in the pouring rain will reduce the insulation as the sleeping
bag is damp and you will be cold. Check the long range weather forecast.
Altitude The night time temperature at valley level may be warm but high in the
mountains it will be much colder. As a rule of thumb, temperature falls by 5 °C for
every 1000m of altitude. Also, the weather in the mountains is more extreme than
in the valleys.
Distance from Shelter If you are planning a trip in the wilderness or the high
mountains make sure that you have the skills, knowledge and equipment appropriate
to the conditions that you may encounter. Make sure you know where to find
and the distance to the nearest shelter.
During Your Expedition
Even the best sleeping bag does not compensate for the following precautions:
Take Extra Clothing Even in summer, it is advisable to carry expedition weight
underwear, particularly a long sleeved thermal top and full length leggings. A full
set weighs only 400 grams but can be used night and day. These can be worn
under your normal clothing if it becomes cold and you can sleep in them on cold
nights. If you are going into sub-zero conditions also take a balaclava and bivouac
socks. It is easy to upgrade the warmth of the sleeping bag by wearing expedition
underwear, a balaclava and socks.
Eat Properly If you do not eat enough food, your body will produce less heat and
you will feel colder. If you are backpacking, you will use a lot of energy and must
replace it.
Drink Plenty - but avoid Alcohol. Dehydration also reduces the body's ability to
produce heat. Drinking is very important. It is best to drink water, coffee, tea or
soft drinks. Cocoa or hot chocolate as a late night drink are much better for you
than alcohol. Alcohol may initially make you feel warmer but as it wears off you will
feel the cold even more.
Keep your gear dry. Wet clothing and sleeping bags (especially down) have less
insulation than dry ones. Try to keep spare clothing and sleeping bags dry. Keep
them inside a plastic bag in the backpack. Try to keep rain, snow and mud out of
the tent. If you can, keep the sleeping bag away from the walls of the tent. Use the
ventilation flaps on the tent to avoid condensation. Whenever you have the chance
air-dry the sleeping bag - for example on top of your tent in the morning.
Wear that extra clothing If you brought it, use it. If you do feel cold, increase the
warmth of the sleeping bag by wearing expedition underwear, a balaclava and
socks.
Practical Advice
Review
© Mammut Sports Group AG
Switzerland
November 2003
34 36
Special Care Advice for Down and Synthetic Sleeping Bags
Down sleeping bags are affected by dampness. This comes from humidity in the
air, condensation on the walls of the tent or your own sweat and respiration.
Whenever you have the chance air-dry the sleeping bag - for example on top of
your tent. Many down sleeping bags have black fabric on one side so that they dry
quickly in sunlight. Down will get smelly if it is left in a damp state. Do not store a
down sleeping bag in its fully compressed state as this will damage the down clusters.
Store a down sleeping bag in dry conditions either by hanging in a wardrobe
or using a large cotton storage sack. Wash the sleeping bag occasionally using a
special down wash product. Follow the wash care instructions.
Synthetic sleeping bags will lose insulation power each time they are washed.
With high quality products, the loss is very small. Some cheap resin bonded products
will loose much of their warmth within 10 washes.
Synthetic sleeping bags will need washing occasionally. For best results use a
special sleeping bag washing product. You can use a sleeping bag liner which can
be washed frequently so that you need to wash the whole bag less often.


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ja na razie nie potrzebuję nowego śpiwora ale swoją drogą nie chciało by mi się tego czytać i analizować wyboru pod kątem tego co tu jest napisane....;)

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